EPISODE 10

Preview:

Logan Tyler Nelson: I’m all about owning stuff if you’re gonna own it like  literally own something then, that to me is a really important definition of one success is that they own it no one else can just take it away from them in a day.

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Calvin Wayman: What is up crew happy Monday and we are here with the host and the creator of the scratch your own itch podcast Logan Nelson. How you doing my man?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Hey Calvin! Thank you so much it’s a privilege to be on your show I love it, yes scratch your own itch is like curiosity and your show is ha! So

Calvin Wayman: Yeah yeah! you actually I noticed you used like those C words they like in your intro or something like, it’s like you believe in creativity compassion or creativity, compassionate and curious lives right that’s kind of your thing.

Logan Tyler Nelson:  I, you know. I don’t stick super close to beliefs but, I have realized that if I’m not creating, if I’m not compassionate about something, and I’ve had not curious about something and I’m confused about something. I feel drained and I’m not energized and confused

Calvin Wayman: 100% like that so that’s why you and I even connect as we totally connected on this issue, it’s the reason this podcast even exists. It’s the reason we’re having this conversation in that like it was out of my own curiosity to have a podcast wanting to do something that was fun and creative. And something you and I think there was something that you were you said when we were chatting on Facebook, that I was like let’s just continue this conversation over to the podcast it was something like when I was asking you about your show you said something you like to talk about things that we all think about or what creative entrepreneurs think about, But, nobody talks about. Right? Is that kind of what you try to go? Like, what is that? Because that kind of made an imprint on me.

Logan: Yeah! Oh my god! No one really talks about it but, how I believe that once you start a podcast it doesn’t make you also an entrepreneur right? (Laughs)

Calvin Wayman: Totally right.

Logan Tyler Nelson: that’s one thing I think that used to operate like an entrepreneur and meaning like scheduling is not the easiest thing

Calvin Wayman: Sure

Logan Tyler Nelson: and also like making a show and giving on iTunes it’s not the easiest thing but, it’s certainly nothing like actually studying a business and making money out of people.

Calvin Wayman: Alright

Logan Tyler Nelson: So but, the real reason why I created the podcast is because, It is really scary for people to talk about their traumas and

Calvin Wayman: Totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: I just don’t know why but, I gravitate towards vulnerability I gravitate towards people talking about the stories that they really don’t want people to hear about. But, they have to yeah!

Calvin Wayman: Yeah! It’s just needed it’s one of those things like people just shy away from it. So again just to catch people up that are listening right now this conversation is the exact kind of conversation that I want to have more and more on this podcast. Because, this is literally the first time Logan and I have physically, actually had a voice conversation right? We were chatting only on Facebook and I loved what he had going on in his podcast and at the same time, I love the unscripted nature of conversation and the unfolding of getting to know someone and so it’s cool to have like kind of the fly on the wall to kind of hear what this is, and I don’t know what wasn’t with you Logan like what did you see or something that made us even start talking? I can’t remember that, let’s go there first.

Logan Tyler Nelson: It was Facebook algorithms doing their job

Calvin Wayman: They popped up and said here’s somebody that should be your friend or something?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Literally dude I saw Calvin Wayman, you should be friends with him and I was like what is he up to? And then I looked at you had a podcast and dude! I’m not gonna lie I am obsessed with learning from podcast and I’m obsessed with the space that these like there’s like this new thing there’s like Hollywood and then there’s like podcast Hollywood, where it’s like John Lee Dumas and Pat Flynn and

Calvin Wayman: Louis Halls

Logan Tyler Nelson: Louis Halls and yeah, these guys that like actually made a name in the podcasting world. That are just so huge they’re known for just their podcast well they’re you know seeing at a conference or doing some speak. They’ve gotten speaking engagements not because of like, because they’ve actually like startup business and made like the next Apple company. But, they’ve made just a killer awesome podcast and they realize that just by documenting their work and putting on internet for both be consumed free, you know it’s like

Calvin Wayman: They’re well-known,

Logan Tyler Nelson: Gary V. yeah they’re very known and you know they jab! jab! jab! and then when they hook and they actually charge someone for you know accountability which is exactly what they all do is just they take a group of people that really want to do what they’re doing and they go all right this is what I did and now I’ll keep you accountable to it but, I’m gonna charge you fourteen thousand dollars an hour to do it. Because, I put in so much free work and they should be charging that they shouldn’t but you know it’s exactly that and now a lot of people and there’s this new space everyone wants to do that. So yeah! We’ve never talked about before yes, it’s totally unscripted like you said I didn’t even know I was gonna go there with that quite answer

Calvin Wayman: What’s funny, what’s really cool is so you’re mentioning this high profile thing what’s funny is I was just barely looking at something that social media marketing world sent me because I’m running one of their rooms this year at their event in San Diego and so they sent us a high-profile speakers at a glance page , that I’m just looking at right now and so like this is just to get us familiar with people that are high-profile speakers and there’s several names on here like Pat Flynn , Joe calm,  John Lee Dumas,  Lewis Hoes. Like all of these podcasters you know it’s funny you’re it’s interesting. It’s really interesting like or Amy Porterfield like she has a pretty big podcast I think pretty much everybody on here is big in podcasting in some way and that’s just fascinating you’re right like the things have shifted like Every day regular people are creating a show with their talent making a name for themselves and now they’re considered high-profile how insane is that.

Logan Tyler Nelson: It’s is I have the really think it’s amazing. Because, personally I am a huge fan of just listening to the words that people are really saying rather than

Calvin Wayman: What do you mean by that? I mean yeah I feel like that when you said that like feels like there’s some deep meaning behind that so go deeper.

Logan Tyler Nelson: yeah so, I think we can get thrown off and very distracted when we lose a few of our senses like for example like blind people they are inquisitive human beings because they use the skill of listening as a very awesome muscle as a way to really you know they serve a paradoxical way to view the world though so

Calvin Wayman: totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: they operate with the skill of listening so deeply so they have to leverage that skill of listening as their overall strength. So someone’s ones of the inability becomes their new power in a

Calvin Wayman: totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: way weird way so like for me because I loved working out and listening to podcasts the same time or I love moving around and taking walks and listen the same podcast the same time I think that when I started to actually listen to what people are saying instead of like talking all the time I’m actually gaining something rather than

Calvin Wayman: I totally feel you man

Logan Tyler Nelson: yeah and that’s why I like that I like both of the views that you and I have which is like having it be real yes I’m gonna say like a few times and I’m gonna say um because this is not scripted but, it’s a real conversation that other people can be in on and I don’t know I just think it’s something that the world needs more of it’s like everybody’s putting out their most scripted picture on Instagram or other places on social media and literally there’s no editing on something like this all you can do is listen and get connected to another human being throughout , through the real conversation you know. By the way, Where do you live?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Springfield Illinois

Calvin Wayan: Is that where you’ve been your entire life?

Logan Tyler Nelson: No, I grew up in Chris leg Illinois and then I went to college NIU which is locating DeKalb Illinois so I lived there for about four years, four and a half years and then for the past about a month and a half or two I’ve lived in Springfield Illinois with my father under one roof yes.

Calvin Wayman: Is that a little bit stressful or not stressful is that a good thing or no?

Logan Tyler Nelson:  I would say that if there’s multiple things that come to my you know headspace when I say oh I’m living in my under my dad’s roof but it’s really loved me to just be more free and to actually do this podcast and since living with him I’ve actually have a podcast now going and I also have the time

Calvin Wayman: How long have you had scratch your own itch podcast?

Logan Tyler Nelson: I have I just released my 46 episode so about three months

Calvin Wayman: Nice so you’re just a step ahead are you doing what is that like three episodes a week?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

Calvin Wayman: Same here love it bro how did you come up with that format just kind of guess?

Logan Tyler Neslon: You know I actually I had a shout-out to Jeremy Ryan slate from

Calvin Wayman: ah yeah he’s a mutual friend

Logan Tyler Nelson: It your own life I’m he which was just basically I edited this podcast in service of earning had a podcast.

Calvin Wayman: No way you’ve been the editor for Jeremy Ryan Slate?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! Yeah!

Calvin Wayman: I’ve been on his show twice I wonder if you’ve edited my show.

Logan Tyler Nelson: ah no `coz I never remembered scene got your name on there so maybe use early seasons `coz I entered out more the late three hundreds.

Calvin Wayman: Yeah! it’s been it’s been close to two years since the last time I was on I think so yeah I was on it within the same year twice so yeah that’s interesting

Logan Tyler Nelson: Wow!

Calvin Wayman: Small world that is so funny!

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! It really is yeah I know most of my guests actually come from his I kind of like it just started

Calvin Wayman: Just coaching them

Logan Tyler Nelson: The network yeah just listening what they had the say and sending him emails about what they said during the podcast that really had an insightful do you unlike if and also like I said I’m a horrible person so if they go on to any dramas I’m there I don’t learn from what their services do I learn from what they’ve gone through.

Calvin Wayman: And a lot of times I think if you dig deep people do what they do because of some major event in their life right? Likes, maybe even some trauma this is you’re making me go somewhere that I actually haven’t gone yet on this podcast or anywhere in general but I’ve given some thought to why I want to have a podcast or why I even put myself out there on social media as much as I do but I did a lot of digging in 2017 and one of the I went to like this very  traumatic moment several traumatic moments I’ll use one this asks is that too traumatic I’ll go deeper in since remember this moment where I was with my mom when I was like five years old and she was sharing with me her deepest ambitions and deepest goals and she was so shy to tell an adult for fear that it would be shut down that she was telling me her five-year-old son and I just remember as a five year old wishing that I could like make that for her wishing , her voice was either bigger that she could like get other people on board with her goals. But, I just wanted that for her so bad and what I’ve come to realize is that day impacted me like freaking crazy because, so much of what I do is just wanting other people to believe like no you can freaking do it like whatever it is that you want to go after like no BS motivation just pump you up like literally if this is something you want to go after you can and so it’s interesting how little moments like that traumatic or big and some other way can actually influence the rest of your life. And you probably get that a ton with different guests that you have on your scratcher on this show

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! I have certainly gotten that I dude I’m so happy you say that because the thing is I don’t like to prove people right or wrong I don’t believe in those really I try to stay away from those I just believe in stronger or weaker and I always

Calvin Wayman: You don’t believe in like something’s necessarily right or something’s necessarily wrong

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah because everything can be argued

Calvin Wayman: Have you just have you seen my video recently coming out on social media as non-religious like leaving my religion

Logan Tyler Nelson: no.

Calvin Wayman: I think you were totally like the m that it’s kind of been a big term tumultuous time in my life I’ll totally tag you in the video because I’m coming to a similar kind of understanding as that but yeah go ahead continue

Logan Tyler Nelson: Oh! it’s crazy so but beliefs are really scary subject to get into but at the same time they need to be spoken about more because one’s beliefs I’m learning a whole book on this it’s

Calvin Wayman: nice

Logan Tyler Nelson: It’s just it to me it’s like just the thing that allows people go from A to Z and so like the one question that I always ask people is like what’s 10years ago well was a belief that you identified yourself with that now if you were told the same belief you would go well that’s completely wrong so it’s like that belief like most people answer like I believe that you know I wasn’t I wasn’t smart enough to actually like start my own company or wasn’t

Calvin Wayman: totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: It was just like a complete like just ridiculous belief but I want to even get deeper is the reason 9 times out of 10 people read books and people is in a podcast and people consume more and more and more because they want to learn the A to B to C to D to e F to G like they want to know exactly this certainty that it’s gonna go into it it’s like the same thing with I don’t know if you’ve ever asked someone to like start coaching with you or something like that they want

Calvin Wayman:  Yeah! Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson: Everything before they actually start doing it’s like literally telling someone like here I’m just gonna put ABS and really nice quads on you and really nice before we actually do a workout

Calvin Wayman: Totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: Just so the certainties there but we don’t we don’t like our country or the humanity overall it doesn’t run off of money what it runs off of his feelings and so that’s our currency so like I had to put a new definition of success for myself like what is my personal definition of success to feel. Like I was super abundant with money by replacing money with fierce conversations or fierce feelings throughout the day like I want to have awesome feelings, like I’m just energized and I notice in your videos you’re really animated and stuff because why because that gives you energy to keep going that keeps you that gives you energy to like actually feel like you’re doing something right in the world and when you do that a number of times it gets addicting and it becomes a habit so when you don’t have it throughout the day you don’t feel like yourself and you’ve it gets really exhausting like the exact opposite of energy is exhaustion right so like

Calvin Wayman: Totally

 Logan Tyler Nelson: We take exhaustion and that’s the only way for someone actually change and I don’t want to wait for a lot of people but, I’ll tell you what most people have to go through extensive amount of trauma or exhaustion before they just go I am NOT gonna do another day of listening to my boss tell me this or

Calvin Wayman: I am sick and tired of being sick and tired

Calvin Wayman: Exactly and it’s almost more fun to hang out with those people though than it is

Calvin Wayman: why?

Logan Tyler Nelson: with people because at least those people have a real problem where they’re ready to change rather than pretending

Calvin Wayma: like so rather than what type of people?

Logan Tyler Nelson: the people that are pretending like are the people that are and I don’t like point out one social media

Calvin Wayman: Sure

Logan Tyler Nelson: But, anybody that’s on Instagram that has 35,000 followers for a nice body is pretending.

Calvi Wayman: Got it!

Logan Tyler Nelson: if they’re not posting some stuff about what they’re really eating if they’re not posting about in the thing it’s like what they’re really feeling while they’re going through this  transformation I just want to see authenticity and that’s why I like your show a lot it’s `coz you’re not editing it as much and that’s really neat because it’s not often that people don’t have doctored material like and even this like this podcast right now that people are listening to in a way it is a little doctored because putting our best you know suits on we’re while we’re here we’re not gonna like

Calvin Wayman: Well, we’ll make sure that we’re getting some layers peeled back before this episode is done there is something I wanted to ask you about based on what I know about you because of your bio but we’ll save that for the end

Logan Tyler Nelson: Okay

Calvin Wayman: But, something I was curious about with you is first of all how how old are you?

Logan Tyler Nelson: 27

Calvin Wayman: And how long have you been in kind of the entrepreneurial space?

Logan Tyler Nelson: About four months

Calvin Wayman: Okay! So  you’re freaking brand spanking new to the space `coz whatever you like what you said if a couple of minutes ago is so spot on where you were talking about how a lot of people want everything laid out from them A through Z , before they get moving like I know that like crazy because n that’s exactly how I was like when I was in my day job and everything like yeah it’s funny that you come to that same realization `coz I literally wrote a freaking section in my book on that same concept and I use the exact the exact analogy of people wanting at Lee I want it and other people want like A,B,C,D all the way through Z before they get moving but that’s just not how life works you’re not gonna make progress that way you’re using your words. You’re not gonna like get abs put on you before you put in the work to get abs you know? So what do you have to have? Well in my belief the people that I’ve seen that are super successful that go after it and in areas that I’ve been able to gain success is if I am good just having three of the 26 letters of the alphabet not all 26 but only three A, B and Z that’s literally all you need so A is where like where you are now Z is where you want to end up and B is your next step you know like that’s it and all the letters between B and Z or freaking unknown often especially in the world of growth and entrepreneurship and I think that’s what scares a lot of people from doing what it is they want to do because you have to step in darkness or step in faith if you will believing you’re gonna get to Z but, actually don’t know but there is no clear-cut nice pretty laid out process from this is where you are and this is these are all the fifteen step formula to become a millionaire or to get to where it is that you want to go. So Yeah! I just thought that was super interesting that you brought that up.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! well I want to say that you got a hangout the right people

Calvin Wayman: Totally!

Logan Tyler Nelson: In other ways to fall into and literally you the answer this is isn’t true if you start hanging out the wrong people. And I don’t mean actually physically being with them actually think that you can still hang out with someone and just listen to the words that they’re saying and

Calvin Wayman: people we’re kind of hanging out with us right now

Logan Tyler Nelson:  Exactly! Exactly! So like for example, If you are someone who’s listening right now and you’re listening because, of some shape way, or form, or reason ,Calvin, or Logan connected you to this podcast like it is in your best interest today to scratch your own itch or do something with curiosity and to prove something that you thought you couldn’t do completely wrong so that becomes a nice habit in your lifestyle, Because the more you do it the more addicting it becomes. Literally I’m not joking you and do it with money something that scares you do it with a job or a friendship that you’re having I’m not gonna get

Calvin Wayman: What do you mean? What are we doing?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Any other ways doing  let’s say like something like alright for example you’ve been really scared buying an assessment to certify you in an area where you’ve always wanted to be certified because, you believe that being a certified in this area will take you to the next step of becoming better in your field like for me I just recently bought a NASM certificate that was like eight hundred dollars ($800) of money that I shouldn’t really have spent but, I know that that’s always something that I just always wanted I’ve always wanted like a certification

Calvin Wayman: Okay

Logan Tyler Nelson: A personal training just so `coz I know that I had a nice body and I know that I’ve  learned throughout the ways of my own way of finding a way to make a nice body. So I want to teach other people how to do that. So if you do something really well today like you don’t mind not even knowing but I want you to get certified right away so you can now start believing and actually living inside that space so maybe it’s not a certification for you, maybe it is just starting a podcast, maybe starting a YouTube channel,  maybe it’s something so simple that if it takes longer than 30 minutes to do it don’t do it. Give yourself that.

Calvin Wayman: Or if you want to do something like be able to travel like you’re making me think of when I wanted to travel for the first time, I just scared the hell out of myself and just booked a ticket to Thailand you know like something that I was curious about to get around other people didn’t exactly know what I was going to do. But, I just booked it and then it became more real leaning into the curiosity is that kind of what you’re saying?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yes, I also think we had a previous conversation about loneliness which is a 9 times out of 10. Why people don’t want to do things is because they’re really afraid to just get alone and do it so

Calvin Wayman: Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson: It would you say Calvin that it’s kind of a muscle that you have to sort of contract or sort of like practice every day

Calvin Wayman: That loneliness muscle?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yes.

Calvin Wayman: 100%. So when I quit my day job I talked about I’ve talked about this on other podcasts I’ve been blessed to be interviewed a number of times at this point but, I haven’t really brought it in on this one yet. But, when I quit my day job to be an entrepreneur coming up three years it was one of the most  fucking loneliest things we’ve ever done. It was depressing in a lot of ways and you’re right it was like a muscle that I had to develop I had to get comfortable being with myself like going from being around 30 people in an office every day to it’s me and so I had to become my own company in a way like be good around myself and yeah! It’s been an interesting journey getting to that point but it’s what got me into meditation for example; something that I do every single day it’s made me more healthy because it I one of the things I do with myself every day is exercise and so health meditation and then something that I think it’s that has been like a coping mechanism with while I’m with myself is writing as well like when you’re with yourself you’re not distracted with all these other things and thoughts and ideas of other people and so you’re just left with your own scary thoughts and self, right? And it’s cool to face that every once in a while and so writing has been something like that to help me get past that as well but, yeah! you’re right it’s a muscle you have to get used to being I guess alone in some ways especially in the very beginning of something that you’re going after that maybe you haven’t pursued in a long time.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! It’s amazing now let’s see it a little bit more authentic with it. Isn’t it amazing how you have the idea of making a book and then you also you may actually like start trying to write the book and you’re ten minutes into it and you go this is why not everybody becomes a writer because you you’ve compared yourself with like all the best and you only see all the best and I think there’s a real value in actually consuming just bad stuff because that bad stuff will actually inspire you more than the exceptional. So if like you think I don’t know if this at all like resonates with you but when I see like bad facebook live videos, or I see like bad podcast, or listening to bad podcast, or if I listen actually like see a bad movie. I’m more inspired than I am by those really ridiculously good ones

Calvin Wayman: Dude! I’m so with you on that.

Logan Tyler Nelson: do and that’s the thing that’s what I wish more people actually did that I think it’s a good I don’t call a life hacker chico that you need to tap into like getting it done is so much more important than trying to get something awesome.(Laughs)

Calvin Wayman: It I feel like we’re literally having I’m having a conversation with my younger self right now you have literally brought up several key points in my entrepreneurial journey that ended up in my book. Things like getting around the right kind of people super important we talked about you don’t need everything mapped out a through Z and now you’re basically talking about – that it doesn’t need to be perfect like it needs to be done like a big quote I say all the time is done is better than perfect you’re right man like maybe these are some I know even though we don’t want to stick on it to it too hard like maybe these are some universal truths that you’re hitting on. But, one thing while we’re talking about this about seeing something sloppy being more motivational dude you were so freaking right when it comes to this somebody that admired that I had that has had a pretty big impact on my life I would say has influenced me quite a bit in my business life my entrepreneurial life is Gary Vaynerchuk you know who Gary Vaynerchuk is?

Logan Tyler Neslon:Yeah! He’s a man! Yeah! I remember him saying like Jabjab hook!

Calvin Wayman: Yeah! Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson: He’s a good guy.

Calvinn Wayman:  Yeah! So, here’s the thing about Gary V, he’s done several things to inspire me. But, the video that has inspired me the most has not been a video about him talking about how if you’re living for Friday and the weekends your is shit broken. It has not been him likes talking about making Monday your bitch. It has not been like just telling you to go freaking hustle like that’s awesome and that fires me up and watching his dailyvees and stuff that’s been awesome but the video that has inspired me the most with Gary Vee is something that’s actually hard to find it’s a video I found early on like I just was just playing with a Google one night before going to bed and I was looking at the very first mentions of  his name in Google ever and sorting I by date and one of the very first video it was like in 2009 I think I want to say like 2008, 2009 I found this video of Gary V. coming up on stage and he gives this talk and at the end of his talk he opens it up for Q&A now if you know Gary V. something that you and I both know is he shines with Q&A like that’s what he just loves he has his show ASKGARYV his book before this last one crushing it or crushed it he has the show ASKGARYV  right and so he opens it up for Q&A on one of the first talks he’s ever given in a public setting and Logan, When he opened up for Q&A  do you have any guess of what happened?

Logan Tyler Nelson: I have no idea honestly.

Calvin Wayman: Nothing happened, nothing and that’s just the point nothing happened. Like he opens up for Q&A too and for people to ask him questions nobody had a question for him crickets like crickets or like awkward. Awkward silence away you do not want to end a talk kind of awkward,  it was so awkward like I’ve been to several events now that they’ve had Gary V. come in as the keynote I’ve seen him speak live probably four or five times and he opens it up for Q&A every single time. There is a line of people at the microphone waiting to ask him a question he doesn’t get to everybody so now they do like this VIP luncheon thing where after he answers some people’s questions they break for lunch and people who paid extra money for a VIP can come and ask him questions get their questions answered so it’s really cool, really smart. But, he has so many people that are asking him questions now but, it was insane being able to rewind it and see Gary V. the Gary Vaynerchuk open that up for Q&A and nothing happened in fact he got a couple hecklers that were kind of just making fun of him on stage in the news like no questions okay see you later guys and then got off the stage and there’s like half-hearted like claps like awkward that video that I found has inspired me more on Gary V. than anything else I’ve ever watched and it’s because of the very same thing that you said like when you see the human side of things what that did is it made him wait even more real to me as real as he already is he’s pretty open and authentic but, when you’re going after or scratching your own itch as your show is called or going after your own thing it’s so easy to get into your head and think that you’re way less than everybody else. Or as you mentioned starting to write your book and you start comparing yourself to the best of the best and you start to think that you suck compared to the best but when you see the best or somebody else doing that in a very human way I just don’t know how you could be anything but inspired so yeah! That video inspired the fuck out of me when saw that.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Dude! I got a huge smile on my face ‘coz I’m obsessed with ugliness like more so like I don’t travel around very often with like a suit on or with like you know a nice eye and that’s just me I mean obviously if I went to an event or if I went to a ball and there were certain requirements of dressing

Calvin Wayman: Black-tie?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! Like I mean. Dude, a suit makes you feel like a billion dollars!

Calvin Wayman: Totally!  But, I just got my very first custom suit actually ‘coz I’m upset  I’m with you, I want to be real like mostly just in like a pullover shirt and jeans like.

Logan Tyler Nelson:  but, yeah! I mean it’s what comes down to who you are like and that is so hard to do nowadays if we’re influenced by people that are so much higher than us like you know for example; the reason why I’m really inspired by people that are just one step ahead of me rather than the person that’s like 14,000 steps ahead of me is because think about this, like you don’t hire like  Tom Brady isn’t being coached by someone that has won as many Super Bowls as Tom Brady with the quarterback ring or if that makes sense at all. Like he’s getting coached by somebody that hasn’t even done that themselves right so when someone goes like, Oh why would I get a business coach or why would I get a personal trainer, that isn’t you know even in the shape that I want to get into? why would I? Because, guess what the person that’s just one step ahead of you can coach you so much better and the person that takes a week house of theirs can coach you so much better because they know exactly what weakness you’re dealing with and how to communicate with you and actually inspire you with the  idea or impregnate you with the idea that’s going to make you actually change because ideas are what they’re just thoughts,

Calvin Wayman: Totally!

Logan Tyler Nelson: The true change comes down to taking the first step and so if I can see from A to B. I love how this conversations happening where we`re talking about A to Z. If you can just see from A to B rather than trying to look from Z like if anybody goes here what’s your five-year plan? That to me frightens the heck out of me because I just want to get really good at championing my week or championing my month or my day or my hour `coz I can do things in an hour I can do things in 20 minutes fans like if  a bad writer I’ll just literally set up a timer for five minutes if I can write for five minutes then I go done you did it and it ends up haunting me throughout the day that I didn’t write more than five minutes so then I just kicked the out of the writing the next day you know like

Calvin Wayman: You do quite a bit of writing?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! The reason why work out so hard is because it literally gives me the energy the type of energy that I need in order write because it is so freaking hard I’m not gonna lie writing is not an easy business and you know this if you’re writing a book or if and

Calvin Wayaman: I wrote a book but I’m gonna do more but, yeah! it’s one of those things I didn’t think I would ever do. But, after writing a book I’m like holy crap that hurt in such a good way and I had to face myself in ways that I have never had to face myself before that man I just want to do that regularly.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yeah! I mean it’s also a lot of problems that you’re dealing with in your own life and then the kickback is you sell a lot of other people’s problems and the other kickback is like when you have a book like that’s not like having a YouTube channel. YouTube owns you like this podcast is kind of owned by Lipson or however you’re hosting it but when you have a book like you own that, that’s yours

Calvin Wayman: No, yeah! You can say that the publisher owns it but, not in the world we live in because now you can self publish and you own everything.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Exactly, yeah! So, I’m all about owning stuff. If you can own it like literally own something, then that to me is a really important definition of one success is that they own it no one else can just take it away from them in a day.

Calvin Wayman: Totally! So, before we come in for a landing. This is kind of a heavy way to end probably will depend I don’t know how this is going to go but, one thing I know about you that we haven’t gotten into yet. But, I did want to kind of go here is I know you are a suicide survivor is that right?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yes, yeah! Yeah!

Calvin Wayman: So, I wanted to have that conversation especially right now like your name’s Logan there’s this other Logan. Logan Paul that did something around like that what a very insensitive thing on YouTube making fun of suicide in a way and of course like recently he’s come out with a video that I think is actually a really positive step in the right direction with what he liked to make this a positive conversation around suicide and how to actually make a positive impact around it but, would love to just hear kind of your story with suicide like what you’re doing? like how you’re now?  like impacting people with your message globally around the suicide conversation?

Logan Tyler Nelson: A preface with this I’m not a licensed therapist I only have perspective on suicide because on my own story and

Calvin Wayman: Yep! One man. One man’s perspective.

Logan Tyler Nelson: And so the whole Logan Paul I know I don’t I go and talk about that `coz I think I’m speaking below my intelligence when I talk about it.

Calvin Wayman: Okay

Logan Tyler Nelson: Alright, do know is that the way he reacted was a human response that people don’t like especially because of the sort of like way he went about it with,

Calvin Wayman: Right

Logan Tyler Nelson: With trying to get more followers and so that part is pretty sick.

Calvin Wayman: Right

 Logan Tyler Nelson: And I haven’t seen this most recent video so again I’m speaking below my intelligence of where he’s going with it but,   if he’s making suicide more aware that’s a tricky thing to do is his suicide awareness is just about sharing stories

Calvin Wayman: Totally

Logan Tyler Nelson: and the face that’s doing that though his very very the met have you ever heard the quote it’s not always about the message more about the messenger

Calvin Wayman:  yeah

Logan Tyler Nelson: So with Logan Paul situation given his history and how big he is all I need to say is just I really hope that he is listening to his own intuition and no one else’s and there isn’t like a business person behind this or executive telling him to do something just so he can relinquish himself because once you commit career suicide as they say we’re talking about career suicide to begin a second chance especially of the context that he went about it is gonna be interesting but, I guess I don’t know anyways you asked me a completely different situation is

Calvin Wayman: Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson: This is survival instinct for me right?

Calvin Wayman: Totally.

Logan Tyler Nelaon: So, about my story though um

Calvin Wayman: Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson: And I realize you wanted to say something like 14 times and I just keep jumping over your words so I’m sorry about that.

Calvin Wayman:  No you’re not. I’m just keeping I’m just giving you the space so again I guess what I’m curious about is the message that you share with suicide first of all like I mean as much as you do want to share whatever you’re open however much you’re open to like when you survive suicide the first or last time and like the message you have around it.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Okay. So, I add this is exactly why I think that beliefs will actually end humanity it’s the reason why we get into Wars is because of beliefs it’s the reason why right now you are listening to this, that you have a certain relationship with yourself. Because, of your beliefs and another awesome not so awesome thing though actually it sucks is your identity with who you put yourself out there so if someone says to you like hey what’s your name and you answered Calvin and then they go deeper and they go who are you really and then you say your job and then you say what you do for work which is fine like that actually you spend a lot of your time doing your work so honor that but, the next thing but you’re saying

Calvin Wayman: But you’re saying  you’re deeper than that.

Logan Tyler Nelson: I think it comes down to this it comes down to simply knowing the right questions to really unlock who you are for me personally, I went through a time where I had just had all it takes is a few thoughts and this is what I share this as part of my message is just simply this it only takes a few bad thoughts to end yourself and that’s why beliefs are so scary to talk about that’s why the podcast is sometimes really hard to do. Because, if we go down that realm if the beliefs or the wounds haven’t been yet told then I really can’t do that because that’s a therapists job I’m more future focused now but really what I want to do for everybody is to let them know that they’re not alone I don’t have the answers, society doesn’t tell me at least or Dubbs me being a licensed therapist I don’t have the answers. But,  what I do have is I do have perspective and I also allow anybody’s voice to be heard when they have these problems because how many times has a girlfriend or a girl even said like hey I wasn’t looking for an answer I was just looking

Calvin Wayman: To just be listen to?

Logan Tyler Nelson: Someone to listen to me. Exactly.

Calvin Wayman: Right!

Logan Tyler Nelson: And so when people have these traumas and these problems in their head or whatever it may be that they’re dealing with life just by getting it out there either on paper giving out there in the ethos of the world by talking about getting it out there by recording it simply. Our little tools that you can use today you right now to get your story out there because that’s when the healing actually starts to take place and it actually starts to give you answers that you were looking for in a book or you were looking for on another podcast or you were looking for on another seminar that you bought into is just simply by saying what is your story by telling the world more about your story. So my story is this and I’m going to share with you

Calvin Wayman: Okay

Logan Tyler Nelson: I had a belief that in my head that if I didn’t become a successful actor because that was my definition of success at the time, if I didn’t walk down the street and everyone didn’t know me or if people aren’t saying like oh there’s Logan Tyler Nelson an amazing actor or oh there’s Logan Taylor Nelson he’s so good-looking or oh there’s Logan Tyler Nelson he’s so funny I had a belief that if people aren’t saying that stuff about me then I wasn’t going to be remembered and if I wasn’t going to be remembered this goes out to even like deep scars of my childhood and losing him at a 11 years old I believe that my mom didn’t write a book and now she’s not going to be remembered by anybody else other than her immediate family. Which to me

Calvin Wayman: Is sad

Logan Tyler Nelson: it breaks me so much

Calvin Wayman: Yeah!

Logan Tyler Nelson:So I don’t want anybody else to have that same belief that their voice isn’t going to be remembered or their voice isn’t going to be heard and their voice isn’t power enough. Powerful enough to make an impact on someone else’s life because no matter trauma is relevant you don’t have to go through suicide attempts to be inspirational for someone you don’t have to be someone who’s even achieved a great business or like this crazy awesome success to feel like you don’t have value to actually impact on his life because no matter what problem you’ve gone through I guarantee someone else has had that same problem and the more you have an opportunity to actually share your story or share your just your little piece of problem and identify with that and share it which is one person not a million people would just start with one. I guarantee the amount of inspiration for yourself to keep going and inflex that muscle will be so addicting that you’ll keep doing it over and over and over and when you do it will make people become the best versions of themselves not in a hippie-dippie way or whoa away like I sort of like

Calvin Wayman: In a real way

Logan Tyler Nelson: You know it’s just a more authentic real honest way the way human beings should live is by always communicating what’s on their mind and what’s truly inside of them

Calvin Wayman: well brother I think I’m going to kind of wrap it here if there’s nothing else to add to it because I think that’s a perfect way to end and as kind of a an add to the thought to show you how real it is to have your voice like this is something that was talked about two episodes ago in fact my guest was quoting Preston’s smiles the and he puts it this way that at any given moment there’s at least 75,000 people that need to hear your message from you and I think that’s true with every single one and that’s important to know like wherever anybody’s at like there’s other people that are going through the same thing and they need to hear that same thing from you so your voice matters and I hope that kind of gives people a little encouragement to know that A.They’re not alone but B. That whatever they’re feeling like openly share it because not only you’re gonna be healing yourself but you can unlock other people and heal them also so.

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yes,Yes. Thank you!

Calvin Wayman: Cool

Logan Tyler Nelson: Thank you so much for having me on your show Calvin I really appreciate it and that is dude do you, I hope we stay connected and and become friends and make some more friends and hopefully you people reach out to us.

Calvin Wayman: 100% Hey! we’ll chat for a brief sec when we go off air but, I’m just gonna quickly say thanks for coming on Logan means a lot to me thank you! By the way, Logan what’s the best way for people to connect with you?

Logan Tyler Nelson: They can connect with me at logantylernelson.com if you just type in Logan Taylor Nelson on Google you’ll find me you know just directly reach out to me because I’d rather just get a conversation rolling right away and hang out with you  at logantylernelson.com again that’s Logan at  logantylernelson.com and I have a bunch of socials up there Instagram

Calvin Wayman: Yeah! You on Facebook, Instagram all that love Tyler Nelson

Logan Tyler Nelson: Yes sir yep find me there Well thank you so much Calvin.

Calvin Wayman: Hey! You’re welcome brother thank you so much for coming on take care. And for those of you still listening as you know you’re starting to know this if you haven’t picked it up already but every single episode I’m giving something away for free I’d give it away within two days of the episode and how you can win the giveaway is by going and leaving a review on the podcast so you can leave a review I here’s a link to make it super easy you can just go to calvinwayman.com/podcastreview if you go to calvinwayman.com/podcastreview then you it’ll take it iTunes you can do a review you get a raffle ticket and then on my social media channels. I’ll be doing the giveaway and again you have a chance to win pretty much every single episode so go to calvinwayman.com/podcastreview to give a review it for your chance to win and if you didn’t catch it on previous episodes or on my social media here’s the big bombshell that I’ve made recently and it’s something that has not been done on a podcast ever I’ve done my research has not been done and that is on the one-year anniversary of this show I’m going to be giving away a car. Yes, a car a mother effin car so anybody that’s given a review up to that point has a raffle ticket to win the car it’s after 2,000 subscribers or hopefully we can we can get that by the one-year anniversary I want to aim it by then so we’ve got to get 2,000 reviews just as I say we want to get 2000 reviews on the podcast and that’s what unlocks that giveaway but I’m hoping we can get that done by the first year anniversary of the show and that would just be a ton of fun I want to make this something that has not existed before. So, again thanks for being here thanks for listening become a part of the community go to calvinwayman.com/podcastreview would love to hear your thoughts thanks and see you on the next curious with Calvin Wayman episode.

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